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Posted June 26th, 2008 by oruval

Week one. Other than the excess heat caused by not mixing my electrolyte correctly I will have to state that I am getting an increase of roughly 35% better gas mileage. That is because I have yet to acquire a modulator to fool my O2 sensor and the fuel pump is still supplying a rich mixture of gas. Once I have that I expect the mileage to go up even further. My 98 eclipse was getting around 300 miles to a tank spirited driving and it's a 12 gallon tank. I am getting close to that mark with a little over half a tank of fuel. 280 miles to 7 gallons. That is 40 mpg!!!

My eclipse is a 4 cylinder dual overhead cam.

A friend sent me this video the other day. It has much to do with why this viable technology isn't out yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uylSdePEbwI&feature=related

Other than this video I do hear the Japanese aren't waiting around any longer and have started production or trying to start production. Looks like they are telling Big Oil and IMF who have been stifiling this technology for decades to go to hell.

http://in.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idINSP7366720080613

Also some home design by a person who is claiming to produce 10 liters of hydrogen a minute. Great video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb0OzPnxHMY

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Hello again
On July 10th, 2008 Gary Nelson says:
First,
I am not making money on the net, or by giving you links as some have said.

I gave you the Meyers file, (complete), he holds the patented issued by the government and proven not to be a scam.

Again I must say, don't buy kits from sites! some are very dangerous! Research this hydro tec. before you jump into it. There are many forms and groups that have been together doing this and improving different designs. They also offer FREE information and plans for their members so I must again say...JOIN A GROUP! read the post discuss then build! If you build it right it will work!

The "Smack" file has been updated and redesigned, the new file is available now..

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/

Its free to join, and all the files are for you to download from the file section.

I MAKE NO MONEY HELPING YOU!
Take this in the name of Ron Paul and freedom!

ps...forge...keep reading! it is very high tec. but it works!

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(i don't understand anything they are saying but this info looks important too! lol!)
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Priced some parts at Home Depot yesterday.
On July 9th, 2008 Ignoranceisbliss says:
I think I want to build a "smack" type booster,on steroids.
Instead of the 4" PVC,I am thinking of getting the GE gnarly water filter,that has the agility to fill without taking the cap off. It also has capacity for more and larger plates, and more H2o.

Instead of the SS wall cover plates,I was thinking of making larger plates out of some stainless material.

Any good ideas of where I can get Stainless Steel sheets so that I can make these larger plates?

Instead of 16 plates,I was thinking like 24 larger plates. I am just not sure how to wire this correctly,so that current is not lost.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008

I think I have seen that design in a youtube video.
On July 10th, 2008 oruval says:
I hope is seals well for you. Post results! =]

oruval, I have been
On July 9th, 2008 SIERRAHPBT says:
oruval,
I have been wanting to try this in my truck for a while.. I have been skeptical, but after your post and some others who have told me they have gotten good results, I have decided to try it! I am going to purchase a professionally built kit tho. it comes with a money back gaurantee. My jetta TDI gets over 50 mpgs on the highway..if I would only get a 10% increase it would be worth it.. I will have this done within the next 3 weeks and I will let everyone know the outcome! wether it works or not.. I will also put 1 on my dodge 1 ton cummins turbo deisel.. should be interesting to settle this discussion one way or the other.

DONT BUY A KIT
On July 10th, 2008 Gary Nelson says:
Google removed all seller of kits! They had to many complaints, the kits are a scam! They ARE dangerous if they don't have flash back arrestors in them and most don't! Brown's Gas burns fast and it can and will burn back to the gen. and blow up! You can't see the flame!

hey ....
On July 9th, 2008 13 says:
before you go and add a component ...... You can increase your mileage with out it. the 1.9 tdi is a fantastic motor to tweak. I will come back and post some links for ya later, but in the mean time google for tdi clubs and forums.
There are a few minor tweaks that can get you up to about 70 mpg. then there are some more involved to get you to 80 mpg..... and yes ... *shhh* ... there are some over 100 mpg....

I'd imagine if you got 70 and added a lil H you could see large gains.

this also depends on which tdi you have .... the old injection pump ALH motor or the newer direct inject Pumpe Dusse.

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do you have a specific link
On July 9th, 2008 SIERRAHPBT says:
do you have a specific link for the mpg increase club?

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

My First Results
On July 10th, 2008 jmeagan says:
My first results were disappointing.

We first set the system up with 6 plates approx 4" x 12" completely covered with water and a very small amount of electrolyte. We immediately popped a 30 amp fuse. We dumped that solution and put in straight tap water, but only covered about 50% of the plates. We didn't have another 30 amp fuse, so we installed a 20 amp one.

We then drove to the gas station and filled up. 6.4 gal for 145 Mi or 22.66 mpg. The HHO system was only working for 6% of these miles. I was initially excited by this as the best mileage I had obtained previously was 20 mpg.

We then started our test run. 15.9 miles into the run, we popped the 20 amp fuse. We drove some more and at 32.5 miles, we installed a new 30 amp fuse. Finally at 75.5 miles, I refilled the tank with 4.3 gal or 17.44 mpg, with the system running 78% of the time. I was very disappointed.

However, I am still confident the system has merit. I drove most of the 145 base miles and a friend of mine drove most of the 75 test miles. In a normal situation, he drives about 5-10 mph faster than I do. However, we had a special situation last night and he probably average 10-15 mph faster than my normal speed. The driving was done on narrow 2 lane country roads with many hills and turns. Driving that much faster means a lot more hard breaking. I didn't drive the vehicle with the system operating until about the last 10 miles of the test. I immediately noticed that the engine was running much smoother and had a lot more power. I pulled a 9% grade with just a slight pressure on the gas pedal.

When I started the vehicle this morning to go fill up to check the gas mileage, the system was empty of HHO. About a mile into my trip I notice the engine smoothed out and I had more power. I assumed that was when the system was actually supplying HHO to the combustion gases.

We ran into some technical problems yesterday, mainly drawing two many amps. We are going to scale the system down to 4 plates and I will be taking about a 220 mile trip either Saturday or Sunday. If we don't pop a bunch of fuses, that trip should give us a better idea or whether the system works or not.

You need
On July 10th, 2008 Gary Nelson says:
To join a form, group. It will save you time and maybe your life.

Egad!!
On July 10th, 2008 oruval says:
You have to completely cover the plates with water. They will arch if you don't and your making very explosive gas wich will ignite with some fury.. Also used distilled water, tap water will corrode your plates. also use KOH instead of baking soda, you can get it at Lowes hardware. Go to the plumbing section and ask for the drain cleaner made with KOH or potassium hydroxide. You only need a little less than 1/8 a tlbsp of this per liter of water. Any more and you will pull too much current and pop fuses and burn wires.

KOH has kick for electrolysis. ALSO MAKE SURE YOU CHECK YOUR ELECTRIC SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE YOUR NOT GROUNDING OUT AND YOU ARE CORRECTLY HOOKED UP. That could be a main cause of blowing fuses or your electrolyte is too much for the amount of water you have.

i have the 06 tdi with 6 speed auto tranny
On July 9th, 2008 SIERRAHPBT says:
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

Awesome.
On July 9th, 2008 oruval says:
I wouldn't have bought a pre made unit myself but hey I am glad you are trying it. Can't wait to hear your results.

I am just not very
On July 9th, 2008 SIERRAHPBT says:
I am just not very mechanically inclined... I like the looks of the professional unit also... they have a cooler to cool the gas etc.. my mechanic will install it for me... it will be fun to see what happens. hopefully we will prove you right .. I have nothing to gain or lie about.. and if it helps people save money , it is worth it! plus I have a 24kw diesel generator (CAT). if this thing works it means it would double the opporating time for my generator at my farm.. lots of good stuff and benefits with this!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD